Pack93z
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16 years ago
I think the "youth" term for this team is wearing a bit on the excuse fringe.. The majority of this team has plenty of game experience under there belt.. the "youthful" mental error line has past.


Games played as a Packer.. not total just in the Green and Gold.

Defense

Harris 80
Woodson 30
Bigby 22
Collins 45
Hawk 32
Poppinga 44
Barnett 78 (Granted he will be shelved now)
Kampman 87
Jolly 16
Pickett 30
J. Thompson 3

Offense

Driver 129
Jennings 27
Lee 45
Clifton 116
Colledge 32
Wells 51
Spitz 28
Tauscher 109
Rodgers 9
Grant 15
Hall 14

I think we can effectively bury the lack of experience line with the exception of maybe Bishop, Rodgers and Thompson...

We are young but not inexperienced at this point..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
obi1
16 years ago
Actually, we ARE young. I believe you are thinking that experience is more important but part of the age of a player comes with maturity as well.

Some of these guys are raw still and very young. Emotionally, a young team needs Good leaders to help them grow up a bit.

The growing up process takes time. Right now, it is the school of hard knocks. They will get better with age.

I DO agree that the excuse of the YOUNGEST team is wearing thin but, it is a legitimate one. Their cumulative age showed sunday and most of this year.
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gbpfan
16 years ago
you have a good point,Colledge and Spitz have been out played witch is why the o-line is having some problems.I know others are to blame but they seem too stand out more.
Pack93z
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16 years ago

Actually, we ARE young. I believe you are thinking that experience is more important but part of the age of a player comes with maturity as well.

Some of these guys are raw still and very young. Emotionally, a young team needs Good leaders to help them grow up a bit.

The growing up process takes time. Right now, it is the school of hard knocks. They will get better with age.

I DO agree that the excuse of the YOUNGEST team is wearing thin but, it is a legitimate one. Their cumulative age showed sunday and most of this year.

"obi1" wrote:



I will bite and agree to a point. I will use the Oline as an example.. heck the dline as well.

On the oline, these guys have over 2 years playing experience in this league.. they are past the learning curve for basics. It doesn't take three years to grasp leverage, communication and basic fundamentals..

On the defensive line.. gap assignment, over pursuit and basic tackling fundamentals..

Maturity issues I would buy.. but that doesn't seem to be the issue with this group. Attitude issues I would understand, but this team busts it collective behinds off... effort isn't a problem.

No doubt we have youth at depth positions and lack of experience.. but I think the youth excuses are behind us.

Team leadership issues on the field.. yes I will buy that we have a lack of leadership issue upon this team. Rodgers is growing into one.. Woodson is probably the defensive side.. but on the field.. you don't see any take charge type of guys out there.. good point.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
all_about_da_packers
16 years ago

On the oline, these guys have over 2 years playing experience in this league.. they are past the learning curve for basics. It doesn't take three years to grasp leverage, communication and basic fundamentals..

"pack93z" wrote:



I have wondered lately how well would this group be doing if Jags was still here...? Although Colledge has improved lately, which is a positive, the line seems to struggle every year at some point. It shouldn't be the case when you've had the same o-line starters for the majority of 3 years.

Agh.
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all_about_da_packers
16 years ago

I think the "youth" term for this team is wearing a bit on the excuse fringe.. The majority of this team has plenty of game experience under there belt.. the "youthful" mental error line has past.

"pack93z" wrote:



93z, I recall an article last year that sort of forshadowed potential doom for this team when they lost in the NFC finals. I think it talked about how the Saints three years ago and Bears two years ago each struggled the following season after an NFC Championship exit.

The idea generally was that recovery time was limited (to get away from football), and quite frankly many players on those two teams found it hard to move on past the lost opportunity, never truly getting over that game before the season started.

Simply put, there seems to be some sort of hangover effect in play lately for the loser of the NFC Championship... I wonder if something similar is happening this year. Take that and add the huge circus that was the Brett saga ... well I think there are some questions if this team ever really got down to getting back to football playing with instincts... (not sure if that makes sense, can't quite articulate what I want to...)
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Pack93z
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16 years ago
Makes you wonder oh Beightol patched all those lines together with less talent doesn't it.

If I am critical of any coaching position with the Green Bay Packers right now.. Campen is in the cross hairs.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Pack93z
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16 years ago
AADP.. the hangover effect.. very possible.. good point indeed.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
obi1
16 years ago

Actually, we ARE young. I believe you are thinking that experience is more important but part of the age of a player comes with maturity as well.

Some of these guys are raw still and very young. Emotionally, a young team needs Good leaders to help them grow up a bit.

The growing up process takes time. Right now, it is the school of hard knocks. They will get better with age.

I DO agree that the excuse of the YOUNGEST team is wearing thin but, it is a legitimate one. Their cumulative age showed sunday and most of this year.

"pack93z" wrote:



I will bite and agree to a point. I will use the Oline as an example.. heck the dline as well.

On the oline, these guys have over 2 years playing experience in this league.. they are past the learning curve for basics. It doesn't take three years to grasp leverage, communication and basic fundamentals..

On the defensive line.. gap assignment, over pursuit and basic tackling fundamentals..

Maturity issues I would buy.. but that doesn't seem to be the issue with this group. Attitude issues I would understand, but this team busts it collective behinds off... effort isn't a problem.

No doubt we have youth at depth positions and lack of experience.. but I think the youth excuses are behind us.

Team leadership issues on the field.. yes I will buy that we have a lack of leadership issue upon this team. Rodgers is growing into one.. Woodson is probably the defensive side.. but on the field.. you don't see any take charge type of guys out there.. good point.

"obi1" wrote:



Sometimes maturity helps attitude. I am certainly not saying that these guys are kids, but they will be FAR better as they mature into their positions. Example was Blackmon's boneheaded punt return out of the endzone. Is Blackmon attitude prone? I don't know but he certainly didn't have a good one on that play.

He put his stats ahead of the good of the team.

Colledge's false starts and holding I don't think was an attiude thing as much as his immaturity as a player.
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16 years ago
BTW.. just to make it very clear.. I like the makeup of this team and the overall direction we are headed..

It just seems that we are lacking growth and achieving potential on this team.

Some of these guys, IMO, should be further along in the development path than they are..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
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