Zero2Cool
16 years ago
Elway was 2 for 5 in the Super Bowls and a .400 hitter is very good in Baseball. :)


edit, nevermind. you're talking about him having a good game.
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dhazer
16 years ago
So he didn't play well in 5 super bowls stats wise but guess what he had to win 5 championship games to get to those Super Bowls.

Look at the teams he had to play against i think the 49ers and Redskins of those days were pretty good.
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zombieslayer
16 years ago
Well, we're talking about the word "clutch," right? Clutch is pressure situations and I can't think of anything more pressure than playing in a Championship. Take a look at Bart Starr's, Otto Graham's, and Joe Montana's Championship (including SB once the SB started) stats. Compare them to Elway's. Night and day.
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Zero2Cool
16 years ago

Well, we're talking about the word "clutch," right? Clutch is pressure situations and I can't think of anything more pressure than playing in a Championship. Take a look at Bart Starr's, Otto Graham's, and Joe Montana's Championship (including SB once the SB started) stats. Compare them to Elway's. Night and day.

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Hey now, it's your statement so you provide the numbers. We'll wait for you. ๐Ÿ™‚
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago

So, five SBs, 8 INTs, and only 3 TDs. Like I said before, clutch and John Elway don't belong in the same sentence.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you for having the courage to admit the emperor has no clothes. I've been biting my tongue ever since porky88 posted his statement that Elway was one of the best clutch QBs of all time, mainly because I figured it was someone else's turn to take the heat for "relying too much on statistics." I don't know how Elway got the reputation of being such a clutch QB, when he turned in two of the most horrific performances in NFL history and was only slightly better than passable in two others.

People point to the fact that Elway has the most come-from-behind victories. To me that just proves the point we're trying to make: if you have to come from behind so many times, it shows you're not getting it done in the first three quarters. The other day, I watched a tribute video series about Elway that recounted all his come-from-behind drives. They kept saying over and over how inspirational it was, yet I took exactly the opposite impression from it: what I saw was how mediocre he typically was in the first three quarters. The reason he turned it on in the fourth quarter is because he had to; he was in desperation mode.

Elway wasn't an impressive regular-season QB either. It wasn't till his tenth season that he threw for more than 22 TDs, and he never -- not once -- threw for more than 28.

I don't get where all the Elway love comes from. But as The_Green_Ninja says, I have no soul. ๐Ÿ˜‰
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zombieslayer
16 years ago
Completely agreed Nonstop. I don't get the man-love for Elway. I've always seen him as a prissy brat, kind of like Eli Manning. All I ever heard from the media was Elway can do this, Elway can do that. Well, Elway was never good under pressure and stats prove it. For anyone who disagrees, please see my stats above and read Nonstop's post again.

Zero - Coming up. Can't guarantee you pre-SB stats though.
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Zero2Cool
16 years ago
Top 10 quarterbacks at comebacks since 1996 - 2006
Rank Quarterback Wins Losses
1 Jake Plummer 19 28
2 Peyton Manning 19 29
2 Vinny Testaverde 19 29
4 Tom Brady 13 8
5 Jon Kitna 15 23
6 Kerry Collins 17 30
7 Donovan McNabb 12 15
8 Marc Bulger 10 5
9 Jake Delhomme 10 12
9 Jay Fiedler 10 12

A very comprehensive breakdown:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings.php?p=3978&cat=0 
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Zero2Cool
16 years ago
John Elway has 48 4th quarter come back wins.
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zombieslayer
16 years ago

John Elway has 48 4th quarter come back wins.

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OK, I stand corrected. Elway still is #1 in this category. I'm going to go ahead and edit that other thing I said then.
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