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It'll be better to kick their ass at full strength anyway. I'm thinking the hail mary passes praying for the flag are going to have to be scrapped from the playbook though, because I'm sure the league offices aren't going to let it happen anymore. Yeah Viking boys, it happened quite a bit.

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But they were just trying to get smaller right?

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Pat Williams is 36 years old. He was playing at a high level in spite of that probably precisely because of the shit he was taking. I predict a HUGE drop-off for him this year.

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I say just let the damn guys play ball, you are suspending someone for taking a damn diet pill, just because some substance (not listed on bottle) is used to mask steroid tests. I mean cmon what is next oh wait thats right they can't use viagra either lol.

Just drop the whole damn thing the NFL is dropping the ball on this one and just needs to move on.

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I have to disagree. That would just be welcoming every player who wants to to take steroids and a masking agent. I hope you don't believe every athlete who says they were just taking the masking agent to "lose weight". :lol: These guys have nutritionists and exercise regimens galore, and they have to take a diet pill to lose weight?? That's awesome...

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Mass the problem is the substance wasn't listed on the bottle, plus it wasn't on the banned substance list given out by the NFL. I say let these guys go because of that. Make the new list get it to every player and move on from there. Thats all i'm saying by the NFL dropping the ball.


I ask you this if it was say Jenkins and Raji going through this would you be saying the same thing, or is because it's from a division rival that is favored to win the division?

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Wait, is this true? If the substance isn't banned by the NFL, why is there such an uproar over it?

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from what i read it wasn't on the banned substance list they give out. I don't know the facts because im not a judge, but from the reading thats what i am getting thus all the appeals.

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Dhazer is wrong.

The substance (bumetanide) was not listed on the bottle, he is correct about that part, but the Starcaps themselves were placed on the banned list in December of 2006 by the NFL. The Williams' brothers argument is that the NFL failed to notify (constructively, in the legal sense) that the pills contained bumetanide.

The NFL maintains that players are responsible for what goes in their bodies, period.

My opinion is that they were taking starcaps precisely because the substance wasn't listed.

Plausible deniability. Most likely to mask pot, not 'roids, it was well known for that...IF they are smokers, I do not know that. I do know that they admitted to taking them to make weight the night before weigh-ins, which is terribly damning to them regarding the concept that they didn't know what was in them, plus they breached their contracts by doing so. (400k bonuses, 11 weigh-ins, provision not to do precisely what they did)

I had participated heavily in a thread on this sometime back.

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Here is the exact policy as it existed on the day the Williams' took those pills, from the NFL:



Pretty unequivocal if you ask me.

Judge Paul Magnuson (sounds Viking-like to me, lol) in Minnesota, as in 9.29 miles from the courthouse to the Metrodome (Can anyone say "judge shopping") might not see it, but at least some do. Google "Potemkin village" - look at term when applied to a legal scenario.