Formo
  • Formo
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
15 years ago
[youtube]VqtPUhYdz6M[/youtube]

17 year old kid jumped the fence. Called his dad prior to doing as such and told him he was going to do it.

Got tased.

Discuss: Are tasers a legitimate deterant for those types of game interuptions?
UserPostedImage
Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!
IronMan
15 years ago

Discuss: Are tasers a legitimate deterant for those types of game interuptions?

"Formo" wrote:


Absolutely.
Formo
  • Formo
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
15 years ago
IM, I agree. I've seen some big time whining on message boards and such about this, and I laugh.

People act as if tasing someone borders on serious injury. Funny.. had the kid done this in Yankee Stadium, he would have been brutally tackled. There's more of a chance of him getting hurt in NYC than getting tased.

But tasing someone is just too much!!! /end sarcasm
UserPostedImage
Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!
Pack93z
15 years ago
They (idiot fans) are trespassing plain and simple, without the known intent they have, I see no issue with some electric current being expended upon them.

The rules are clear.. your boundary ends at the edge of the fan section.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
15 years ago
The question, ISTM, are two:

1. Should the landowner be able to use force against a trespasser. IMO, yes. (Of course: I'm a big private property guy from way back.)

2. Is a taser a morally proportionate response? IMO, no. It's like the scene in Hancock where Hancock sticks one annoyance's head up another annoyance's ass. Oh, it's hilarious on one level -- I laugh along with most I think -- but if were done for real, I think it's disproportionate. Hancock has enough power to "deal with the problem" without going overboard. IMO, the Phillies have more than enough power to deal with such fans without tasing them.

One immoral act (the bonehead kid's) does not make moral another immoral act.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
IronMan
15 years ago

The question, ISTM, are two:

1. Should the landowner be able to use force against a trespasser. IMO, yes. (Of course: I'm a big private property guy from way back.)

2. Is a taser a morally proportionate response? IMO, no. It's like the scene in Hancock where Hancock sticks one annoyance's head up another annoyance's ass. Oh, it's hilarious on one level -- I laugh along with most I think -- but if were done for real, I think it's disproportionate. Hancock has enough power to "deal with the problem" without going overboard. IMO, the Phillies have more than enough power to deal with such fans without tasing them.

One immoral act (the bonehead kid's) does not make moral another immoral act.

"Wade" wrote:


Whether or not you think it is immoral is irrelevant. He was out running security and was considered a threat. There is no was of telling what his intentions were, and he needed to be dropped immediately.
alharrisdude31
15 years ago
its funny when fat people get tasered, they jiggle
i wonder if he jiggled?
djcubez
15 years ago
I hate the police and I hate tasers so obviously I think it was excessive. I remember hearing somewhere that when cops first introduced tasered they were deemed to be a lesser violent way to apprehend a potentially violent suspect and would only be used when deemed necessary. Now a security guard at a baseball game is tasing a 17 year-old kid that decided to run onto the field? Yuck. Yea, I agree the kid had whatever was coming to him because he did break the law but still, this is a bit ridiculous. Police have too much power and can get away  with practically anything. 
Zero2Cool
15 years ago
The fact is ... no one knows what the intentions of a "fan" running on the field are. I'd rather them tazed then seeing a bunch of guards chasing him around or my favorite athlete get hurt body slamming him to the ground.

Look, it's obvious and most common sense that you don't belong on the field. You know something is going to happen to you.

You break the rules, you suffer the consequences.

I hope they tazed his ass a few times for being such an idiot.
UserPostedImage
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
15 years ago
Sigh.

Not everyone who acts like a moron is a terrorist or a danger to society.

If everyone got zapped every time they did something moronic we might as well all audition for the Wile E Coyote role in some upcoming big budget Roadrunner flick.

Kevin is right. No one *knows* what his intentions are. But you're not supposed to be able to punish people every time you think there's a possibility that they might be up to sociopathic violence.

That's a Donald Rumsfeld/Patriot Act type bullshit. Frankly, I think anyone who thinks the kid should be tased just because he rushed onto a pro baseball diamond should be lined up for a taser shot for every publicly moronic thing they have done in their lives.

Because I'm sorry, every irresponsible kid isn't a candidate for tasing just because he happens to be doing it at Yankee Stadium instead of the local park.

If the Phillies are afraid some random PCP addict or some nonrandom terrorist is going to be running onto the field, then they ought to be hiring top of the line security experts who can tell the difference between a immediate menace and a drunk kid.

I can't tell from my position in the stands what the kid is. But there are professionals out there who are damn good at it. If you're worried about a danger, you hire a professional. You don't just empower some shmo to use violence of his choice.

Maybe the taser-user is such a professional. Then I'd trust his/her judgment. But there are a fuckload of private security types who are no more competent to judge the use of force than I am. And if that taser-user was such a type, then that use was immoral.

If the security dude isn't competent to judge the use of force, then it would be better to have said security dude chasing the moron around the field for awhile.

Yes, IronMan, it is wholly irrelevant whether *I* think it's immoral or not. Agreed. I know none of the parties concerned. I wasn't there.

But it remains absolutely relevant whether it *is* immoral or not.

I believe in a near absolute constitutional right to bear arms. (And the only reason I add the qualifier "near" is because there might be a situation I'm unaware of where that right falls by the wayside.) And the right to bear arms brings with it, IMO, the right to use those arms.

But while I think that right to bear arms nearly absolute, I also believe that certain exercises of that right are immoral. IMO someone who loads a hunting rifle without understanding basic weapons safety is acting immorally, no matter how much I defend his right to load that rifle.

And the same goes for a taser. Just because the taser doesn't bring with it the same danger that the rifle (or a car, for that matter) does, doesn't mean it does no harm. It does mental harm. And, if the tasee has certain unobvious conditions, physical harm as well.

Use of a taser, however legal, can be immoral.

And immorality matters.

If we ignore questions of morality, then that bastard Thomas Hobbes was right. And I refuse to accept that.

Life doesn't have to be solitary or nasty or brutish or short.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Fan Shout
dfosterf (5-Aug) : I'm going to call that a good move.
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : Packers sign CB Corey Ballentine
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : I'm not sure how to kill the draft order just yet so it's not so confusing.
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : *to be able
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : and because it's not a dynasty league (which makes a lot more sense to be ability to trade picks)
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Oh I know; I was just exploring and it blew my mind that you could trade picks because of the whole reordering thing
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Zero, I think I preferred my offer: your 1st for my 15th rounder
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : Keep in mind, we do a draft reorder once all members locked in
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : You can have my 12th Rd for your 2nd round
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Hey i didn't know we could trade picks in fantasy
Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Update: Rock has tried a cheese curd, promises it's not his last
Zero2Cool (3-Aug) : watch it!! lol
Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : you're right, we never did leave, the site just went down :P
Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Rock claims to have never eaten a cheese curd
Zero2Cool (3-Aug) : We did not leave.
Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Family Night! WE ARE SO BACK!
Mucky Tundra (2-Aug) : To this day, I'm still miffed about his 4 TD game against Dallas on Thanksgiving going to waste
Martha Careful (2-Aug) : Congratulations Sterling Sharpe. He was terrific and I loved watching him play.
beast (2-Aug) : I believe it's technically against the CBA rules, but Jerry just calls it a simple unofficial chat... and somehow gets away with it.
beast (2-Aug) : Jerry Jones is infamous for ̶n̶e̶g̶o̶t̶i̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ chatting with players one on one... and going around the agent.
Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Oo just saw a blurb saying that Dallas negotiated directly with Parsons and not through his agent
Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : I assumed that both guys will get paid, just a matter of when or how we get there
Zero2Cool (1-Aug) : McLaurin nor Micah going anywhere. They will get money
Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : the Synder years or do they take care of one of their own?
Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Do the Commanders risk losing a top WR with an emerging QB just because he's turning 30 and potentially risk damaging the rebuild from
Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Turns 30 this September, plays at a high level and Washington has some cap space I believe
Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : More interesting is Washington with Terry McLaurin
Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : I would imagine Dallas will resolve this issue with a truckload of money
Zero2Cool (1-Aug) : Micah pulling a Myles with trade request
beast (1-Aug) : Packers should make some cheese forks
Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : GRAB THE PITCHFORKS~
Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : CUT HIM
Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : Socieltal collapse imminent
Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : The West has fallen
Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : After starting off camp with 25 straight made field goals, Brandon McManus has missed one
Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : But it should be stable
Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : It's probably gonna be slower.
Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : We're gonna just full go on to the new host.
Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : What crap. Site issues galore
Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : if PH dies, there is packerpeople com available
Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : database is on new host, eventually website will follow
Mucky Tundra (30-Jul) : Zero, regarding Ewers, you are correct.
Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Sadly, this might be our life for awhile. I could put it on another host, but seems it was slower, although more stable
beast (30-Jul) : How long will it be down?
beast (30-Jul) : RIP site 😭
Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Site will die, I have to restart it.
Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Quinn stinks. Lot of underthrows. (my guess)
beast (30-Jul) : How did Quinn Ewers effect where Golden was drafted?
dfosterf (30-Jul) : All I've experienced was late at night or early morning. I just figured you were doing something in the background
Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Site sure seems to be down more than up
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
31m / Fantasy Sports Talk / macbob

2h / Around The NFL / wpr

5-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

4-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

3-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

3-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

3-Aug / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

2-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

2-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

28-Jul / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

28-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

28-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

27-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

27-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.