Pack93z
15 years ago
Rutroh... make it two opinionated Thompson haters that see the same thing.. ;)

Packers chat with Mike Vandermause: 

I give the nod right now to Underwood over Lee. As for Harrell, the best I can say for him is that he's still healthy 10 days into camp. Beyond that, I thought Jarius Wynn looked better in drills yesterday at practice. Maybe I'm completely off on this, but I don't sense an urgency in Harrell. For a guy who has basically done nothing for three years, I would think he'd be champing at the bit in every single drill. Maybe it's his personality. Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. But right now, I'd be surprised if he made the final roster.

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15 years ago

Rutroh... make it two opinionated Thompson haters that see the same thing.. ;)

Packers chat with Mike Vandermause: 

I give the nod right now to Underwood over Lee. As for Harrell, the best I can say for him is that he's still healthy 10 days into camp. Beyond that, I thought Jarius Wynn looked better in drills yesterday at practice. Maybe I'm completely off on this, but I don't sense an urgency in Harrell. For a guy who has basically done nothing for three years, I would think he'd be champing at the bit in every single drill. Maybe it's his personality. Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. But right now, I'd be surprised if he made the final roster.

"pack93z" wrote:


Brian Carriveau (cheeseheadtv) , who has attended EVERY practice, had this to say in his Daily Links post this morning:

"Harrell has done a good job of making himself available nearly every practice. But McGinn is right. If hes healthy, now he has to make an impact."

Also, Aaron Nagler, also of Cheeseheadtv, who has attended several practices, tweeted this to me:

"As usual, McGinn is spot on. Now that said, it doesn't mean Harrell will never be a valuable contributor. But he does a whole lot of standing around..."

But what do they know? They're probably just typical Ted Thompson haters/Favre lovers. #sarcasm
beast
15 years ago

Brian Carriveau (cheeseheadtv) , who has attended EVERY practice, had this to say in his Daily Links post this morning:

"Harrell has done a good job of making himself available nearly every practice. But McGinn is right. If hes healthy, now he has to make an impact."

Also, Aaron Nagler, also of Cheeseheadtv, who has attended several practices, tweeted this to me:

"As usual, McGinn is spot on. Now that said, it doesn't mean Harrell will never be a valuable contributor. But he does a whole lot of standing around..."

And MM said ""Hes kind of just been OK," McCarthy said. "Jarius needs to take a big step. The other part of that is Jarius has a lot of competition."

http://packershome.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=9538.html 



But what do they know? They're probably just typical Ted Thompson haters/Favre lovers. #sarcasm

"IronMan" wrote:



The aren't Ted Thompson haters/Favre lovers...

If they're saying I'm might be true. But I've heard a lot of media talking about how Wynn is doing great it one on ones and the media partly praising him and then MM said "Hes kind of just been OK," McCarthy said. "Jarius needs to take a big step. The other part of that is Jarius has a lot of competition."

http://packershome.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=9538.html 


Wouldn't of he added Harrell into that mix if he was unhappy with Harrell?
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RaiderPride
15 years ago
I know this may be tough for some of you to swallow.

I am praying he will just get back in a slow and methodical precise and structured manner. Putting pressure on him to produce NOW might cause him to over exert in meaningless camp and pre seasons games.

This is his last shot. With as much as the Packers have invested in him, I think it is prudent to take the safest route to revive his career and obvious talents God given talents. Slow and steady... Until game one of the regular season.

I think the fact that MM has not called him out is showing a great deal about how this team is looking at this situation.
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15 years ago

I know this may be tough for some of you to swallow.

I am praying he will just get back in a slow and methodical precise and structured manner. Putting pressure on him to produce NOW might cause him to over exert in meaningless camp and pre seasons games.

This is his last shot. With as much as the Packers have invested in him, I think it is prudent to take the safest route to revive his career and obvious talents God given talents. Slow and steady... Until game one of the regular season.

I think the fact that Mike McCarthy has not called him out is showing a great deal about how this team is looking at this situation.

"RaiderPride" wrote:



So, he hasn't played football in 3 years, and he's just going to breeze through a "meaningless" training camp and be ready for the regular season?

Yeah, that's not gonna work.
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Sheesh, people, do you even read my posts? I take great care to say exactly what I mean. :P

Let's read my statement again.

I believe that a lot of anti-Harrell bias is repackaged anti-Thompson bias, and insofar as that is true, I oppose it.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I didn't say all, or even most, anti-Harrell bias is symptomatic of anti-Thompson bias. I said "a lot of" -- that is to say, a significant minority of it -- is. Let's put that comment in context: I'm one of the most outspoken Ted Thompson supporters on this site, and I'm biased against Harrell.

I understand that cutting him would not save the Packers any money. In fact, in an absolute sense, it could actually cost them more money, because they'd have to pay not only him, but also whomever they brought onto the roster to replace him. And yes, it's true he hasn't occupied a slot on the 53-man roster for most of his career. However, he has cost the Packers in non-financial ways, such as lost performance. He has occupied a slot on the 80-man roster in the preseason that could have been occupied by someone who was less injury prone.

So yes, it's true during the regular season he hasn't been occupying a roster slot. But he has reduced the Packers' opportunities to bring in other candidates, and that's my objection to keeping him around. The same can be said for Bigby and the others I've mentioned.
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porky88
15 years ago

Ted and Mike... make a statement early in this camp and cut this cat... I know the depth on the defensive line is a question.. but speak to your team through actions and end this nonsense.

Ironic that Mike McCarthy calls out Wynn for his effort yet mentions not a word about this obvious eyesore of the camp if a beat reporter can see it..

"pack93z" wrote:



I don't think players need someone released to get a message. That's kind of a thing of the past. Not that I'm against that stuff, but I also think that players should be treated as the adults they are. Especially since they're making millions of dollars. Sometimes statements can be a little bit of a slap in the face. Quite frankly, if Green Bay needs Harrell released to get a message sent across, they're in trouble.

From what I've read, it's Jarius Wynn who has struggled this camp. I've seen this in quite a few places. I've seen nothing but positive reports on Harrell outside of the lazy comments. It's easy to hate on him because of his first-round status and the fact he's done nothing, but I think the games is where it counts. From what I saw in the scrimmage, Harrell is a better football player than Wynn. You don't cut the better player, even if he's a little lazy IMO.
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Sef0r
15 years ago


We have a kid that has been paid very well and has been injured most of his NFL career to date.

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Hasn't he just been living off his bonus money? Its not like the Packers have been paying him much since his injuries have taken him out of games.
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Greg C.
15 years ago

Sheesh, people, do you even read my posts? I take great care to say exactly what I mean. :P

Let's read my statement again.

I believe that a lot of anti-Harrell bias is repackaged anti-Thompson bias, and insofar as that is true, I oppose it.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I didn't say all, or even most, anti-Harrell bias is symptomatic of anti-Thompson bias. I said "a lot of" -- that is to say, a significant minority of it -- is. Let's put that comment in context: I'm one of the most outspoken Ted Thompson supporters on this site, and I'm biased against Harrell.

I understand that cutting him would not save the Packers any money. In fact, in an absolute sense, it could actually cost them more money, because they'd have to pay not only him, but also whomever they brought onto the roster to replace him. And yes, it's true he hasn't occupied a slot on the 53-man roster for most of his career. However, he has cost the Packers in non-financial ways, such as lost performance. He has occupied a slot on the 80-man roster in the preseason that could have been occupied by someone who was less injury prone.

So yes, it's true during the regular season he hasn't been occupying a roster slot. But he has reduced the Packers' opportunities to bring in other candidates, and that's my objection to keeping him around. The same can be said for Bigby and the others I've mentioned.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



It seems to me that if you think highly enough of a player to draft him 16th overall, you can afford to save a space for him on the 80-man training camp roster. I don't think most GM's would give up on a high pick as easily as you would have liked Thompson to give up on Harrell. It wasn't until this year that Harrell began to look like a longshot to make the regular season roster, and he's still more likely to make it than a few of the other defensive linemen in training camp. So let's see how he does in the preseason games, then they'll decide if he's worth keeping. If I had to bet, I would bet against him.

If you also think that Brandon Jackson and Atari Bigby are not worth keeping on the 80-man roster, well, you are entitled to your opinion, but I think you are in a small minority with that one. According to your logic they should dump Harrell so they can bring in a defensive lineman who's not quite as good as Ronald Talley, and they should dump Bigby so they can bring in a safety who's not quite as good as Anthony Levine.

The RB competition for Jackson is a little more interesting. But Lumpkin's done nothing in his 2-3 years here except get hurt, Starks has been hurt for a whole year now, and Porter is an unknown from nowhere. And these are guys who are actually on the 80-man roster. Cut Jackson, who has been a reliable third-down back for us, and you will have to replace him with someone who is not quite as good as those other three. Sorry, but I'm not buying it.
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Pack93z
15 years ago
Ahh... this has been, IMO, the best discussion of the young season.. thank you all for carrying it out and stating very valid but opposing opinions.. I am getting drawn back into football mode.. just what I needed.

Yes he has been living off bonus money and prorated salaries when he has been occupying the PUP or been on the 53 or been on IR.

If he gets hurt we will be on the hook for his salary again this season.. but if we cut him now.. we are out little.. his bonus money was long ago spent.

Anyway.. for me.. this is a thread I needed to get jacked up for the season again.. I was lagging along.. thanks again for the healthy non Favre debate.
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