Formo
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15 years ago
College Students Arrested For Not Paying Tip 

College students arrested for not paying tip

By Peter Mucha
Inquirer Staff Writer


It was an evening out that college students Leslie Pope and John Wagner will long remember.

Not only did they get what they called lousy service, they got handcuffed and arrested.

All over a $16.35 tip.



While I disagree with the restaurant's move, I believe they are in the right. It says that the gratuity is added for parties of 6 or more on the menu. If you will be in a party that's 6 or more and are unwilling to pay that gratuity, then leave the eatery. Seriously. You'll only be a gigantic pain in the ass to the service crew.

As a guy that worked almost 4 years in the service industry.. Little do people know (shockingly) that the bigger the group you come into a restaurant with, the bigger the hassle you become. You all order at the same time, and require food to be served at the same time.. Not to mention there's probably dozens of other patrons wanting the same exact top-notch service as you. Maybe you'll get a lower quality of service than you'd normally get (especially on a busy night), but take into consideration the facts I stated above.

Besides, if you are too much of a dick-group.. I reference you to the movie, "Waiting"

Yeah, that shit happens. And you better believe it'll happen to you if you are Capt'n Asshole.

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Gravedigga
15 years ago
This negative publicity will end up costing the rest. thousands in the end. Well done manager 🙂
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djcubez
15 years ago

This negative publicity will end up costing the rest. thousands in the end. Well done manager :)

"Gravedigga" wrote:


Well said. Making a big deal out of $16 is not a way to gain good publicity, who cares if you were "wronged." That said, never mess with the person who cooks your food.
Cheesey
15 years ago
So.....a waiter/waitress can give lousy service, cause they EXPECT a tip because of the size of the group. They don't have to "earn" it, it's automatic.
Thats just not right.
I'd be interested to know if the service really was bad, or if the people were just trying to get away with not tipping.
We will never know for sure.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
There is no such thing as a mandatory gratuity. Hell, the word gratuity literally means "optional." When you have a large group with a presumably large, complicated order, the gratuity is added to your bill as a courtesy to spare you having to do the math or laying out a big wad of cash on the table, but you don't have to abide by it. You can amend it on your receipt -- increase it or decrease it at will. I cannot see this holding up in court.
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Cheesey
15 years ago
If this even gets to court it's stupid. NO ONE should be forced to leave a tip.
If the service sucks, you shouldn't have to feel obligated.
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djcubez
15 years ago

If this even gets to court it's stupid. NO ONE should be forced to leave a tip.
If the service sucks, you shouldn't have to feel obligated.

"Cheesey" wrote:


Somehow I think it's discrimination to charge a mandatory tip if you have a certain number of people who show up. It's not like you go to a restaurant, see the gratuity set at 8 people and say "Oh no Charlie, you can't eat with us."

I also hate the argument people have for delivery drivers, waitresses, etc.., about them earning most of their money from tips. They know what they got into when they started their jobs, if you don't get tipped a lot tough titty. I'm not saying I don't tip, I'm just saying you shouldn't have any set expectations. I also feel like this applies to other jobs as well. Police officers sign up for the job knowing they may be putting their lives on the line every day, but the moment one gets hurt or offended "BOOM" lawsuit, arrests, more jail time it's ridiculous. They put all these laws in to protect the police when the police should be protecting us. Same goes for football players. These rules now a days are bogus. Protecting the players and such. They play the most brutal, violent sport and expect to not come away with health problems? Ridiculous. You should know what you're getting into before you get into it instead of trying to blame the consequences on someone else. I'm not trying to be a hardass here or say we shouldn't help these people but seriously, get a grip.
Wade
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15 years ago
I'm a big tipper.

Having been a bartender when younger, and having hung out a good deal with other bartenders and wait staff, I know how important tips are, and how hard even mediocre ones have to work.

And how most people who come into bars and restaurants have no clue what all is involved. And how most "restauranteurs" assign way too many tables to individual waiters/waitresses. Next time you go into a restaurant, look at how many tables your waitress/waiter has to serve: the number should be, at most, 6 four-person tables.

If you think my six-table maximimum (actually, it should be closer to 4) sounds small, imagine yourself being the only server of a dinner party for 24. And not just a Thanksgiving dinner served family style, but one where each of the 24 is giving you individual instructions on every piece of the meal, asking you to refill their water and beer, three are trying to chat you up, realizing the goddamn salad station needs filling again and the dishwasher is falling behind and the goddamn bartender is four orders behind because he's dealing with an obnoxious drinker at the other end of the bar.

Yet virtually every restaurant in my area has its staff assigned to between 8 and 12 tables. Not surprisingly, the general level of service around here pretty much sucks.

I'm also a big tipper because I'm a member of one of the most insensitive and undertipping groups of restaurant patrons -- academics. No one complains more than academics about their pay (and don't get me started on how they invariably support liberal ideas that spend other people's money), and I'm betting no occupational group is worse at tipping.

And so I tend to overtip as a matter of habit. Even if the service is mediocre. It takes major incompetence of the sort that would lead me to seek out a manager to complain before I'll leave the miniscule tip that says "no, I didn't forget. you're so bad, that I'm intentionally leaving you a 1% tip."

So I fully understand the "large table" charge. When I've been with a group and it seems to me that the group has undertipped, I will even go back to the table and put some extra down.

All that said, however, did any restaurant I know try this sort of nonsense, they'd never see me inside their walls again. As others say, no one is entitled to a tip.

And, moreover, it really sounds like the restaurant owner is trying to collect a table charge under the masquerade of a "gratuity" or "service charge." I'd love to know how said restaurant distributes their tips. Don't assume that such a mandatory charge, whatever it might be called, ever finds its way to the person waiting the table in question. Don't assume that any tip added to a charge goes directly to your server.

If you want to charge for a big table, fine. If you want to consider those who walked out without paying it scum and put them on the "banned" list and refuse service, do that, too. If you want to tell your staff that from here on out said twits get put on "worst service imaginable" (trust me, there's a lot worse that having to wait an hour for wings in a busy place), do that.

But sue them for nonpayment of a gratuity? I don't care if they were the the table from hell. You're a moron. And you deserve to lose your business.
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djcubez
15 years ago
Wade, I understand your point of view even though I've never been in that situation. I'm a college student myself and drinks at bars already cost enough. Of course a waitress/bartender seriously has to hate her job for me to not tip them. Delivery drivers are different because they usually only drive 5-10 blocks so I don't tip them that much.
Gravedigga
15 years ago
I've had terrible service a few times and didn't tip at all. If the tip was included in the bill, I'd talk to the manager and explain that I'm not paying the tip. They'd have to call the cops on me too because no way in hell i would have paid in that instance.
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