DakotaT
13 years ago

Everything you say before the dash is well-said. But the final, underlined statement does not follow from it.

Yes, a true Christian should act compassionately and in a giving manner toward those less fortunate and less capable. And we're going to have to account to Him for every one of our failures to do so.

But my paying taxes or not isn't going to be part of that accounting. Indeed, if I need the coercion of the state to get me to pay or do my share, that share isn't going to help me a bit with God. Because I'm doing it for the wrong reason. I'm simply doing it to cover my ass and keep out of jail and not look bad in the public eye. I'm not doing it to please God and follow his example.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



Get this through your thick Economist scull - taxes are necessary because if people were left to their "charitable deeds" there would not be enough to take care of all that suffer. Now if we're talking about a person that makes enough money to live themselves but not a lot of tax revenue is extracted from him, but the person does very good deeds with charity by donating his time - then we have an extraordinary person.

But for the rest of us schlubs that don't have the time - we need our asses taxed to justify our existence in this advanced civilization. People with the attitude that they don't want to pay taxes to pay for the freeloaders really need to re-examine their Christian faith. People that go to great lengths for tax evasion should just be deported.

But to satisfy the tea movement - yes government should be reigned in on spending and they can start with our military budget. Floating our empire around the world and policing it is starving our country. It didn't work for Alexander the Great, the Romans, or the British - I don't know why we are so fucking arrogant to think it'll work for us.
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13 years ago

Get this through your thick Economist scull - taxes are necessary because if people were left to their "charitable deeds" there would not be enough to take care of all that suffer. Now if we're talking about a person that makes enough money to live themselves but not a lot of tax revenue is extracted from him, but the person does very good deeds with charity by donating his time - then we have an extraordinary person.

But for the rest of us schlubs that don't have the time - we need our asses taxed to justify our existence in this advanced civilization. People with the attitude that they don't want to pay taxes to pay for the freeloaders really need to re-examine their Christian faith. People that go to great lengths for tax evasion should just be deported.

But to satisfy the tea movement - yes government should be reigned in on spending and they can start with our military budget. Floating our empire around the world and policing it is starving our country. It didn't work for Alexander the Great, the Romans, or the British - I don't know why we are so fucking arrogant to think it'll work for us.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 




Necessary for this world? Perhaps. While I disagree, you might be right. People are fallen, after all, and greedy and self-interested and all the rest. The "will involuntary funding through taxes yield more charitable activity than private charity alone?" question is an empirical question that scholars continue to debate. There's evidence on both sides. This is one where the economist part of me doesn't know the answer.

But (in the post being responded to) I was speaking only of what affects the Christian's standing with God. Being a good payer of taxes might be viewed as "giving to Caesar what is Caesar's", but it isn't going to have any traction with God. What's going to matter to God is why we did the things we did. Motives matter. And doing out of fear of the taxman/gov't enforcer is not the right motive. If you only give when forced, you aren't giving out of love. And if you aren't giving out of love, God is underwhelmed.


The United States needs many things to strive, survive, and thrive. And among these things needed are various kinds of coercion.

God's needs, God's requirements, God's demands -- they're another matter entirely. The future of the United States is no more important to God than the future of France, Vatican City, or ancient Rome.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Porforis
13 years ago
If I weren't already married, I would totes marry Wade.
dhazer
13 years ago
Cheesey nailed this whole thing perfectly, Obama did this to counter what happened in Wisconsin. He was afraid the republicans grew a lot of momentum with Walkers win, so he needed a way to get it back and how else can he win it? Let's get all the Latinos on his side, after all there are more of them then any other race in the us. Didn't anyone else notice how he quickly made it know that if he didn't win Romney could reverse this in 2 years. So he now won over all of the Latino votes and got a dig in against Romney. Obama now controls the so called minorities in blacks and Latinos. Who really cares if he is breaking laws to do it right?
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Let's get all the Latinos on his side, after all there are more of them then any other race in the us.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



Apparently a lot has changed  in a decade huh??
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Formo
13 years ago

But does everybody have the same abilities as you? That's what is wrong with your line of thinking - you believe everyone is created equally and we are not. There are a lot of people not capable of your life. They need your help and if you are a true Christian - you should be more than willing to pay your taxes to help these people.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Yes, a true Christian should be willing to help out the unlucky. But it also shouldn't be mandated. Kinda the whole 'keep your laws off my body' thing.

The only thing the Government is good at is breaking your leg, handing you a crutch and then saying, "See? Without the Government to help, you'd wouldn't be able to walk!"
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DakotaT
13 years ago

Yes, a true Christian should be willing to help out the unlucky. But it also shouldn't be mandated. Kinda the whole 'keep your laws off my body' thing.

The only thing the Government is good at is breaking your leg, handing you a crutch and then saying, "See? Without the Government to help, you'd wouldn't be able to walk!"

Originally Posted by: Formo 



Well I'm ready for an alternative, but until some smart guy finds a way to take care of all the needy, I guess I'll just have to keep writing a big check to the IRS every year.


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Porforis
13 years ago

Well I'm ready for an alternative, but until some smart guy finds a way to take care of all the needy, I guess I'll just have to keep writing a big check to the IRS every year.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



http://www.charitywatch.org/toprated.html 

Take your pick, and make your dollar go further.
DakotaT
13 years ago
Porforis - my lifetime charity will be childrens cancer from here on out. But how does that relieve me of my tax burden?
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13 years ago

Cheesey nailed this whole thing perfectly, Obama did this to counter what happened in Wisconsin. He was afraid the republicans grew a lot of momentum with Walkers win, so he needed a way to get it back and how else can he win it? Let's get all the Latinos on his side, after all there are more of them then any other race in the us. Didn't anyone else notice how he quickly made it know that if he didn't win Romney could reverse this in 2 years. So he now won over all of the Latino votes and got a dig in against Romney. Obama now controls the so called minorities in blacks and Latinos. Who really cares if he is breaking laws to do it right?

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



IMO you (and Obama) sell Latinos (and blacks) short. To be sure, there are many of each who are as gullible to the Pied Piper as any Iowa farmer or Minnesota Viking fan. When the revolution comes, the Latinos and the blacks that Obama, et al are crassly trying to manipulate will be at the forefront of the movement. They are no dumber on average than the rest of us, and they have a historical memory of experience with such carpetbagger sorts.

If one listens to CNN, Fox, Wall Street suits, and Wall street protestors, said "traditional strengths of the Democratic party" are as firm as the United Auto Workers leadership in their commitment to Obamaism and Bidenism. It ain't so.

Oh, they might vote for Obama instead of Romney. They are as captured right now by the "lesser of two evils" philosophy as everyone else. But that's all their votes reflect. Latinos and blacks are not morons. They know they're being played.

If Obama thinks he controls them, he's even more delusional than I thought.

And The Great Implosion is closer still.


And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
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