15 years ago
Am I arguing with two people or is Slick Z2C? I'm confused man...

I'll give it to you then. You shouldn't ever take a sack. If you're on the way down after getting hit and/or wrapped up, just wing it out there.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

Am I arguing with two people or is Slick Z2C? I'm confused man...

I'll give it to you then. You shouldn't ever take a sack. If you're on the way down after getting hit and/or wrapped up, just wing it out there.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:




Wow, seriously dude, THINK! Obviously if you are being taken down you secure the damn ball. Stop going to the damn extreme.
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TheEngineer
15 years ago
I recall Rodgers, back in the Vikings game, where snap was inaccurate which forced Rodgers to retreat into his endzone, stumbling, reaching for the ball, and, while losing his balance, flipped it underhanded as far as he could in an attempt to throw it away.

The result, of course, was intentional grounding. Although I agree with Rodgers' decision here, there are of course situations where you simply cannot throw it away. It's not often as simple as taking a sack or getting an incompletion, as the issue of intentional grounding or illegible receivers compound the issue.

In the above scenario Rodgers did the right thing because taking a sack would have yielded a safety. However, if the QB have not shifted out of the pocket, and a defender is dragging him to the ground slowly, I would prefer the QB to take the sack and protect the ball, rather than try to hobble around and throw while taking a tumble. There's just too much risk in trying to make something out of pretty much nothing.

The real issue in my opinion here is about the timing. Suppose the QB has been brought up to go through his progressions quickly, and, failing to find anyone open, to throw it out of bounds (disregarding the effect of intentional grounding and throwing to illegible receivers). Although this generally means fewer interceptions, there's going to be a whole lot of chances that will never even materialise because the QB never gave the opportunity for a play to develop. Eli Manning probably never would have connected on that helmet catch if it weren't for the fact that he kept the play alive, and they would never have won the superbowl.

But then I think, what would I prefer Rodgers to do? Well at this stage in his career, I would rather Rodgers play it safe than attempt to make too many plays. So, in a way, I agree with both Z2C and MassPack. If Rodgers cannot find someone open, run it or throw it away immediately. Otherwise, if it looks like a sack is inevitable or he cannot get out of the pocket, lie down and protect the football, and don't try to throw it away.
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15 years ago

Am I arguing with two people or is Slick Z2C? I'm confused man...

I'll give it to you then. You shouldn't ever take a sack. If you're on the way down after getting hit and/or wrapped up, just wing it out there.

"SlickVision" wrote:




Wow, seriously dude, THINK! Obviously if you are being taken down you secure the damn ball. Stop going to the damn extreme.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



The "extreme" was the only situation I was suggesting. I wasn't saying you should take the sack as a rule. I don't really think we're disagreeing here... I admire your passion though.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

Am I arguing with two people or is Slick Z2C? I'm confused man...

I'll give it to you then. You shouldn't ever take a sack. If you're on the way down after getting hit and/or wrapped up, just wing it out there.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:




Wow, seriously dude, THINK! Obviously if you are being taken down you secure the damn ball. Stop going to the damn extreme.

"SlickVision" wrote:



The "extreme" was the only situation I was suggesting. I wasn't saying you should take the sack as a rule. I don't really think we're disagreeing here... I admire your passion though.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



Ahh I see. Well, when I read that a QB is being told to take a sack, there wasn't anything specific tied to it so one can only believe it was a general rule. Which ... as I think I have made clear I completely disagree with.

Good stuff, thanks for the discussion, your passion is admired.
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DarkaneRules
15 years ago
Rodgers, to me, has already proven he has what it takes. The question to be is really just staying healthy and effective. The mistakes he makes every QB makes. He just needs to make more plays like everyone else. Things like pocket awareness and reading defenses come with more experience.
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15 years ago
He did make one of the coolest plays of the year in his first game as a starter. 🙂 Spinning no look TD pass ftw. More of this please!

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Pack93z
15 years ago
Here is my thoughts in another nutshell.

Only the 2nd QB ever to pass for more than 4000 yards in this 1st season as a full-time starter. Speaks volumes. EVER.

Can you name the other QB to pull off the feat?
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15 years ago
My first guess would be Marino?
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Pack93z
15 years ago

My first guess would be Marino?

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



That would be correct.. he only started 11 games is rookie year.. 1984 Marino threw for over 5 grand.

Even Steve Young with all the experience he had didn't reach 4000 grand in passing his first starting year.
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